logiclife
04-17 05:27 PM
^^^^^^
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willwin
08-13 12:02 PM
I think we should emphasize HR 5882 and write to:
1. The President ASAP
2. Immigration Subcommittee
3. All CHC members
The intention is to bring this bill to the floor this year and make sure it is passed.
I think people with PD 2001, 2002 and 2003 should definitely write as they have a better case than the 2006 or 2007 filers.
This is our last opportunity this year to let go.
1. The President ASAP
2. Immigration Subcommittee
3. All CHC members
The intention is to bring this bill to the floor this year and make sure it is passed.
I think people with PD 2001, 2002 and 2003 should definitely write as they have a better case than the 2006 or 2007 filers.
This is our last opportunity this year to let go.
black_logs
04-07 01:05 PM
Guys please don't forget, the more money power we have, the bigger client we become in the eyes of our strategist and they will put more of their political capital for our cause.
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gk_2000
04-22 09:17 PM
Cmon dude. We expect a better example to back up.
The example you state is a violation of anyone's civil rights...leave alone an immigrant.
No one is raping you by imposing a per-country limit on your green card application.
Congress used the power given to them by the Constitution to frame Immigration laws and they created a formula for regulation. Per-country limit is that formula which they had every right to create in order to uphold the balance of immigration in their country. Getting a GC is not anyone's right..its a privelege bestowed based on the applicant meeting certain criteria which includes quotas, as per the country's laws. There is NO civil rights impact. You are getting your green card in the end...only problem is they are making you wait 10 years because of that formula. But none of your civil rights are being impinged upon. So we should work to change flawed law rather than try to muddle the issue with civil rights. No matter what extreme example you give, you will still never be able to prove that your civil rights were impinged because you are having to wait for 10 years in a legal queue while your application is pending.
Don't get caught up trying to defend a stance no matter how irrelevant it may be. Its better we focus our time and effort on more achievable and valid provisions.
Good Luck to you.
Ok bye....... until next time :)
The example you state is a violation of anyone's civil rights...leave alone an immigrant.
No one is raping you by imposing a per-country limit on your green card application.
Congress used the power given to them by the Constitution to frame Immigration laws and they created a formula for regulation. Per-country limit is that formula which they had every right to create in order to uphold the balance of immigration in their country. Getting a GC is not anyone's right..its a privelege bestowed based on the applicant meeting certain criteria which includes quotas, as per the country's laws. There is NO civil rights impact. You are getting your green card in the end...only problem is they are making you wait 10 years because of that formula. But none of your civil rights are being impinged upon. So we should work to change flawed law rather than try to muddle the issue with civil rights. No matter what extreme example you give, you will still never be able to prove that your civil rights were impinged because you are having to wait for 10 years in a legal queue while your application is pending.
Don't get caught up trying to defend a stance no matter how irrelevant it may be. Its better we focus our time and effort on more achievable and valid provisions.
Good Luck to you.
Ok bye....... until next time :)
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11-06 06:51 AM
No LUD since Aug.2006 on I-485 . Who can beat me on this.
No LUD since April 2005, how about that?
No LUD since April 2005, how about that?
boreal
06-13 05:15 PM
Called them all, had to leave a VM for Gary Miller, but for all others, i was able to talk to one of the staff, who were glad to pass the message along.
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Waitnwait
12-02 12:05 PM
pansworld,
Its not IV I am worried about ... I trust them completely.
Its the the big bad wolves out there :) .... they might use such info to their advantage ....(call me paranoid)
I believe, the best and safest way to disseminate such important information is through state chapters. I know what you are getting at when suggesting that we should be open about our needs and goals .... The strategic vision is pretty much laid out by the core and is clear enough for the general public (I think) ...
monetary needs... thats a different ball game ...
I agree that posting the monetary figures might not be a good idea. But we need to find a way to make everyone who visits the site part of the bigger picture. I see that happening if we have a Percentage Ticker on the site which shows how much of the target is met and how much is left.
Its not IV I am worried about ... I trust them completely.
Its the the big bad wolves out there :) .... they might use such info to their advantage ....(call me paranoid)
I believe, the best and safest way to disseminate such important information is through state chapters. I know what you are getting at when suggesting that we should be open about our needs and goals .... The strategic vision is pretty much laid out by the core and is clear enough for the general public (I think) ...
monetary needs... thats a different ball game ...
I agree that posting the monetary figures might not be a good idea. But we need to find a way to make everyone who visits the site part of the bigger picture. I see that happening if we have a Percentage Ticker on the site which shows how much of the target is met and how much is left.
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ras
07-02 12:53 AM
following few more reasons may be added.
- When a new employee arrives his/her knowledge of immigration matters is quite less and doesn't intend to take risks of going against the employers wishes. This is being exploited by many employers by way of threatening to cancel H1, intimidating that they will have to return back, instilling fear in all ways and means in the employees about the negative aspects. This leads the employee to think and step back in going against the employer.
Soln : Better educate the new employee about his rights as soon as he arrives. This could be either through forums, websites or even an official supplement from USCIS which should be handed over to the employee when his H1 is approved. ( It could mention and clear all myths officially by USCIS). This instills courage in the employee to question the employer if not go ahead with law suits. Also, this even may reduce threatening by the employer.
- Further most of the employees want their career slate to be clean without any law suit, dots, etc until their life is secured by way of GC approvals or some form of assurance from the Govt. This makes them step back on taking action against the employer.
Soln: Well if there could be a system where anonymous complaints/whistle blowers are allowed, they probably may come out. However, rarely employee wants to reveal his identity though he suffers.
- The immigration matters are so complicated with so many RFE's people are scared to add another their event to their history. Any transaction with USCIS is kind of a risky feel for the employee.
Soln: This feeling should be removed.
- immigration decisions are uncertain so people want to be cautious in taking bold steps.
Soln : There should be assurance from USCIS that provided everything on the candidates side is good that his GC will be approved. If an employee believes that based on his/her good credentials in all respects they should assured be of a GC, they may come forward to fight against the erring employers
Soln: How do we make employee believe if everything is right on their part, an appropriate decision will be taken by USCIS. People still dont have confidence in USCIS decision making process.
- And for GC applicants, they fear anything against the employer would affect their GC process. At every stage (Labor, I 140 and I 485 ) they are being exploited in one or the other way. Always it the employee who is at the loosing end. I have never seen an empoyer loosing because of an employee...
These are some of the thoughts...
- When a new employee arrives his/her knowledge of immigration matters is quite less and doesn't intend to take risks of going against the employers wishes. This is being exploited by many employers by way of threatening to cancel H1, intimidating that they will have to return back, instilling fear in all ways and means in the employees about the negative aspects. This leads the employee to think and step back in going against the employer.
Soln : Better educate the new employee about his rights as soon as he arrives. This could be either through forums, websites or even an official supplement from USCIS which should be handed over to the employee when his H1 is approved. ( It could mention and clear all myths officially by USCIS). This instills courage in the employee to question the employer if not go ahead with law suits. Also, this even may reduce threatening by the employer.
- Further most of the employees want their career slate to be clean without any law suit, dots, etc until their life is secured by way of GC approvals or some form of assurance from the Govt. This makes them step back on taking action against the employer.
Soln: Well if there could be a system where anonymous complaints/whistle blowers are allowed, they probably may come out. However, rarely employee wants to reveal his identity though he suffers.
- The immigration matters are so complicated with so many RFE's people are scared to add another their event to their history. Any transaction with USCIS is kind of a risky feel for the employee.
Soln: This feeling should be removed.
- immigration decisions are uncertain so people want to be cautious in taking bold steps.
Soln : There should be assurance from USCIS that provided everything on the candidates side is good that his GC will be approved. If an employee believes that based on his/her good credentials in all respects they should assured be of a GC, they may come forward to fight against the erring employers
Soln: How do we make employee believe if everything is right on their part, an appropriate decision will be taken by USCIS. People still dont have confidence in USCIS decision making process.
- And for GC applicants, they fear anything against the employer would affect their GC process. At every stage (Labor, I 140 and I 485 ) they are being exploited in one or the other way. Always it the employee who is at the loosing end. I have never seen an empoyer loosing because of an employee...
These are some of the thoughts...
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munnu77
03-08 10:56 AM
This is in reference to a thread about feeling depressed by retrogression or labor backlogs to stuck FBI namechecks or whatever it is that depresses you. Not criticizing anyone in particular so dont aim for me.
Yes, and a lot of people know that there are highly skilled people who are depressed and that takes a toll on employee productivity.
After all, if 90% of your time is spent on thinking about BECs and visa bulletins, imagine if that time was spent on doing the job they've hired you for.
Some employers(like Microsoft) realize this and want to do something about it. Its not just about keeping the best and brightest here in USA. Its also about keeping the morale and productivity up.
As to how to deal with this...try this.
Call your local congressman's office(Find out info about that from House.gov, with your zipcode). Get an appointment with congressman. There is an Easter recess coming up when they would be back from DC.
Then talk to him about all issues you have. Take all the material you need from the "Volunteer" menu item of this website.
Doing something about the problem is the best therapy there is. I am not saying this because I want to coax you into meeting your congressman. No. That's not the objective. But I think action is the best remedy for this problem. And there is actionable stuff to do about this. If you are suffering from terminal cancer, then you really cant do anything about that. This is not such a problem. This is a problem for which the solution is out there.
Somehow, after landing in this country, people lose the appetite for risk and adventure. Before they are in here, they would move mountains to score an H1 or an F1. After coming here, they hunker down, heads-under-the-desk kind of approach. What I am talking about is nearly 200 people right now, who have read this post, but havent logged in. They wouldnt log in. They wouldnt give their real email address if they sign up. They would never contribute. WHY? Because they are afraid. That they will be deported. For no reason. Everything we do is legal, including raising funds and spending it on lobbying. But they are afraid. They are also afraid that by talking to congressmen, they will make them mad and the congressman will pick up the phone, call USCIS and then get their 140 cancelled. Yes. People create their own fastasies and become afraid of them..
Yesterday, nearly 2000 Irish illegals went to capitol hill (http://www.ireland.com/newspaper/frontpage/2007/0308/1173121325488.html)and talked to various lawmakers to lobby for CIR and legalization. They were illegals. Yet, the somehow managed to walk into the building where laws of this country are made, talk to people who make the laws that they have broken, go thru Capitol Hill security check, and look into the eye of the lawmaker and talk to them.
However, our community, this is how they behave. Forget about talking to congressman, or contributing money. When they call the core group with a question, they block the caller id can call. Dont disclose their name too. Ask a questions and then quickely hang up. Some of them want to contribute with cash because they are not willing to believe us that we are doing everything legal here and its their right to lobbying and petition the Government for problems.
After paying taxes, after following all immigration laws, after getting all the education in the world to become "Highly skilled", the highly skilled cant bring themselves to stand-up with a straight spine, thump their desk and talk to their lawmaker.
So at the end of the day, if we are depressed that legals dont get attention, then you know where to look for blame : the highly skilled who are highly educated and too afraid because their education and skills make them think too much and analyze too much, and they are afraid all the time.
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Yes, and a lot of people know that there are highly skilled people who are depressed and that takes a toll on employee productivity.
After all, if 90% of your time is spent on thinking about BECs and visa bulletins, imagine if that time was spent on doing the job they've hired you for.
Some employers(like Microsoft) realize this and want to do something about it. Its not just about keeping the best and brightest here in USA. Its also about keeping the morale and productivity up.
As to how to deal with this...try this.
Call your local congressman's office(Find out info about that from House.gov, with your zipcode). Get an appointment with congressman. There is an Easter recess coming up when they would be back from DC.
Then talk to him about all issues you have. Take all the material you need from the "Volunteer" menu item of this website.
Doing something about the problem is the best therapy there is. I am not saying this because I want to coax you into meeting your congressman. No. That's not the objective. But I think action is the best remedy for this problem. And there is actionable stuff to do about this. If you are suffering from terminal cancer, then you really cant do anything about that. This is not such a problem. This is a problem for which the solution is out there.
Somehow, after landing in this country, people lose the appetite for risk and adventure. Before they are in here, they would move mountains to score an H1 or an F1. After coming here, they hunker down, heads-under-the-desk kind of approach. What I am talking about is nearly 200 people right now, who have read this post, but havent logged in. They wouldnt log in. They wouldnt give their real email address if they sign up. They would never contribute. WHY? Because they are afraid. That they will be deported. For no reason. Everything we do is legal, including raising funds and spending it on lobbying. But they are afraid. They are also afraid that by talking to congressmen, they will make them mad and the congressman will pick up the phone, call USCIS and then get their 140 cancelled. Yes. People create their own fastasies and become afraid of them..
Yesterday, nearly 2000 Irish illegals went to capitol hill (http://www.ireland.com/newspaper/frontpage/2007/0308/1173121325488.html)and talked to various lawmakers to lobby for CIR and legalization. They were illegals. Yet, the somehow managed to walk into the building where laws of this country are made, talk to people who make the laws that they have broken, go thru Capitol Hill security check, and look into the eye of the lawmaker and talk to them.
However, our community, this is how they behave. Forget about talking to congressman, or contributing money. When they call the core group with a question, they block the caller id can call. Dont disclose their name too. Ask a questions and then quickely hang up. Some of them want to contribute with cash because they are not willing to believe us that we are doing everything legal here and its their right to lobbying and petition the Government for problems.
After paying taxes, after following all immigration laws, after getting all the education in the world to become "Highly skilled", the highly skilled cant bring themselves to stand-up with a straight spine, thump their desk and talk to their lawmaker.
So at the end of the day, if we are depressed that legals dont get attention, then you know where to look for blame : the highly skilled who are highly educated and too afraid because their education and skills make them think too much and analyze too much, and they are afraid all the time.
logic life..
i am becoming a fan of urs...
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gsc999
07-11 01:44 AM
What do you guys think, should we get some flowers at the San Jose rally too and give them out to the supporters?
That will display continuity of thought with our flower campaign and weave that into the peaceful protest.
That will display continuity of thought with our flower campaign and weave that into the peaceful protest.
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tonyHK12
04-20 06:27 PM
Thanks TonyHK12. I see that so far you have kept it cool here...inspite of some provocations :)
I for one very much appreciate that. Please keep it up. We do have common goals that we can work productively towards.
thanks. something needs to be done about the people following me around and creating provocation at every opportunity, as they say - flaming. I guess it comes from having an inferiority complex.
The moderators are not very active here, having full time jobs
I for one very much appreciate that. Please keep it up. We do have common goals that we can work productively towards.
thanks. something needs to be done about the people following me around and creating provocation at every opportunity, as they say - flaming. I guess it comes from having an inferiority complex.
The moderators are not very active here, having full time jobs
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sdrblr
08-14 10:42 PM
you have a sound logical argument
Ok, among the many replies to what i wrote, a few have been rational discussions. A healthy argument is always encouraged. However, I will dissect the above post line by line to pinpoint exactly why some people completely deserve the treatment that they get. Here I demonstrate how a healthy discussion is hijacked by imbeciles and that is why IV is doomed to failure.
"Till now, i used to believe that USCIS is working hard and eventually they will clear all the backlogs and give the GC to everyone. but by seeing your post, i think i am mistaken, they are doing a big mistake by giving a GC to people like you. "
DOES THIS EVEN MAKE SENSE?? WHAT DOES USCIS BEING HARDWORKING AND CLEARING BACKLOGS HAVE TO DO WITH MY POST ON A RANDOM FORUM?? YOU SIR, MAY BE MISTAKEN ABOUT A LOT OF THINGS AND MY POST MAY BE THE LEAST OF YOUR PROBLEMS.
"Once you become a gc holder and then a citizen, you will question a lot of other things, like giving social security/medicare to poor people who have not contributed and will also question the tax cut(1000$) given to each child when claimed as dependent , as you will argue that , i was doing my second Phd and others who dont have anything else to do, made children and are now claiming the cut. "
LET ME GUESS, YOU THINK MCCAIN IS GREAT, RIGHT? BECAUSE YOU SEEM TO HAVE A CRYSTAL BALL WHICH CAN PREDICT WHAT I WILL DO YEARS FROM NOW AND NOT ONLY THAT BUT FROM A ISOLATED POST ON A RANDOM FORUM, YOU HAVE CREATED A COMPLETE PICTURE OF MY POLITICS?? THAT IS THE BEAUTY OF THE INTERNET, EVEN PEOPLE LIKE YOU WHO CANNOT FORM A COHERENT THOUGHT HAVE AN EQUAL SAY IN ANY DISCUSSION.
"All i am saying is that american people are in great danger by allowing people like you to get the GC and citizenship."
SOMEONE PLEASE GO AND WARN THE AMERICAN PEOPLE OF THE GRAVE DANGER !! NOT ONE WORD IN THIS ENTIRE POST OF YOURS CAN EVEN PRETEND TO BE PART OF A LOGICAL THOUGHT !! WOULD YOU CARE TO EXPLAIN WHAT THE DANGER IS? WHY IS IT SPECIFIC TO AMERICAN PEOPLE? YOUR PREVIOUS PARA SEEMS TO IMPLY THAT I AM ANTI-IMMIGRANT, NOW I AM ANTI AMERICAN??
This is precisely why IV hasnt achieved its goals till now and probably never will.
Ok, among the many replies to what i wrote, a few have been rational discussions. A healthy argument is always encouraged. However, I will dissect the above post line by line to pinpoint exactly why some people completely deserve the treatment that they get. Here I demonstrate how a healthy discussion is hijacked by imbeciles and that is why IV is doomed to failure.
"Till now, i used to believe that USCIS is working hard and eventually they will clear all the backlogs and give the GC to everyone. but by seeing your post, i think i am mistaken, they are doing a big mistake by giving a GC to people like you. "
DOES THIS EVEN MAKE SENSE?? WHAT DOES USCIS BEING HARDWORKING AND CLEARING BACKLOGS HAVE TO DO WITH MY POST ON A RANDOM FORUM?? YOU SIR, MAY BE MISTAKEN ABOUT A LOT OF THINGS AND MY POST MAY BE THE LEAST OF YOUR PROBLEMS.
"Once you become a gc holder and then a citizen, you will question a lot of other things, like giving social security/medicare to poor people who have not contributed and will also question the tax cut(1000$) given to each child when claimed as dependent , as you will argue that , i was doing my second Phd and others who dont have anything else to do, made children and are now claiming the cut. "
LET ME GUESS, YOU THINK MCCAIN IS GREAT, RIGHT? BECAUSE YOU SEEM TO HAVE A CRYSTAL BALL WHICH CAN PREDICT WHAT I WILL DO YEARS FROM NOW AND NOT ONLY THAT BUT FROM A ISOLATED POST ON A RANDOM FORUM, YOU HAVE CREATED A COMPLETE PICTURE OF MY POLITICS?? THAT IS THE BEAUTY OF THE INTERNET, EVEN PEOPLE LIKE YOU WHO CANNOT FORM A COHERENT THOUGHT HAVE AN EQUAL SAY IN ANY DISCUSSION.
"All i am saying is that american people are in great danger by allowing people like you to get the GC and citizenship."
SOMEONE PLEASE GO AND WARN THE AMERICAN PEOPLE OF THE GRAVE DANGER !! NOT ONE WORD IN THIS ENTIRE POST OF YOURS CAN EVEN PRETEND TO BE PART OF A LOGICAL THOUGHT !! WOULD YOU CARE TO EXPLAIN WHAT THE DANGER IS? WHY IS IT SPECIFIC TO AMERICAN PEOPLE? YOUR PREVIOUS PARA SEEMS TO IMPLY THAT I AM ANTI-IMMIGRANT, NOW I AM ANTI AMERICAN??
This is precisely why IV hasnt achieved its goals till now and probably never will.
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08-22 01:47 PM
Here's an anecdote -
This was back in the late 80s, when I was growing up - in Bangalore.
India had just lost the Finals of a well fought [field] hockey match to Pakistan. We were all very disappointed by the loss, but it saddened me further to see a victory procession with waving Pakistani flags in the Muslim parts of the City.
Ofcourse, India is a secular country and more so the United States.. and you can cheer whoever you please..
But, If you chose to become a US Citizen, and US were in a battle with your country of Origin (let's narrow it down to Sports, to keep it less complicated), which country would you side? If I chose to side with my country of origin, it would make me a hypocrite, wouldn't it ?
>> which country would you side?
Without a doubt, USA as I am a US citizen and USA is my country.
This was back in the late 80s, when I was growing up - in Bangalore.
India had just lost the Finals of a well fought [field] hockey match to Pakistan. We were all very disappointed by the loss, but it saddened me further to see a victory procession with waving Pakistani flags in the Muslim parts of the City.
Ofcourse, India is a secular country and more so the United States.. and you can cheer whoever you please..
But, If you chose to become a US Citizen, and US were in a battle with your country of Origin (let's narrow it down to Sports, to keep it less complicated), which country would you side? If I chose to side with my country of origin, it would make me a hypocrite, wouldn't it ?
>> which country would you side?
Without a doubt, USA as I am a US citizen and USA is my country.
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punjabi77
08-14 09:46 AM
Yaar chanakya.. did you choose your name or did your parents already knew that you will become Chanakya one day and post comments like this to piss off people.
If you didnt have money in ur pocket.. why the heck did you go for PHd.. now stop complaining about people who got a job and started working.. why dont you tell the truth to everyone that you didnt get a job after you completed MS and ultimately to keep yourself in US you opted for Phd.
I can understand the "PLIGHT" of your collegues and your manager who are working with you..
Man take a break and think before you write such stuff..
If you didnt have money in ur pocket.. why the heck did you go for PHd.. now stop complaining about people who got a job and started working.. why dont you tell the truth to everyone that you didnt get a job after you completed MS and ultimately to keep yourself in US you opted for Phd.
I can understand the "PLIGHT" of your collegues and your manager who are working with you..
Man take a break and think before you write such stuff..
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darslee
07-11 01:58 AM
Great idea. Since our recent flowers also ended up at the veteran's hospital, maybe we should wear yellow ribbons in support of troops?
I am not sure if you are being facetious but I think that is a great idea! :)
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krishna.ahd
02-05 04:16 PM
Letting h4s work in "non specific-skilled jobs" may actually work against us because they will be in direct competition with local people in those jobs and anti immigrant will be against it. I guess porting to h1 from h4 can be a good option and a feasable option.
Folks
Stay focused our (IV) Main Agenda, please dont get distracted with all these ideas.
Folks
Stay focused our (IV) Main Agenda, please dont get distracted with all these ideas.
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WeShallOvercome
07-18 05:57 PM
I have stayed long enough in United States to say that this Rep is lying.
No mail can take 4 weeks to reach.:eek:
At the most a week but reasonable it will be 3 days.
--sri
May be they are sending the rejected packets to the applicants' overseas address :D
No mail can take 4 weeks to reach.:eek:
At the most a week but reasonable it will be 3 days.
--sri
May be they are sending the rejected packets to the applicants' overseas address :D
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gc_kaavaali
12-12 09:10 PM
I don't think people will get attracted by summarizing what we are doing...people should realize what we are doing...there is a difference...
The web site should be sufficient in providing information of a general nature.
More specific information and details should be available to members.
That's how many organizations operate, including AILA.
It's not just about the forums, this could come with a lot more benefits.
The web site should be sufficient in providing information of a general nature.
More specific information and details should be available to members.
That's how many organizations operate, including AILA.
It's not just about the forums, this could come with a lot more benefits.
rkg000
04-20 11:45 AM
May be that is the reason you took offense when people commented on Bcom thing. An MBA is valuable only if your bachelors degree is valuable. Many people have this wrong notion that it does not matter what you have in your bachelors, if you get an MBA everything is all set. Companies need engineer + MBA combination. Very few companies hire MBAs for accounting work. DOn't confuse accounting with finance, they are different. I can tell you that for sure, as i work in finance.
Contents of MBA also matter, most people take easy way out by taking all bluff management, marketing and strategy courses. Very few take the hardcore finance courses such as derivatives, fixed income, and valuations (these courses could differ in level of difficulty based on school).
Are you one of those guys sitting in Wall Street with Ivy League studies getting all the high end knowledge, and to do what, screw the economies world over? Laloo did that to Bihar with minimal education. Sorry to see all your effort go waste when you could have achieved just as much, just by reading about Laloo :D.
Contents of MBA also matter, most people take easy way out by taking all bluff management, marketing and strategy courses. Very few take the hardcore finance courses such as derivatives, fixed income, and valuations (these courses could differ in level of difficulty based on school).
Are you one of those guys sitting in Wall Street with Ivy League studies getting all the high end knowledge, and to do what, screw the economies world over? Laloo did that to Bihar with minimal education. Sorry to see all your effort go waste when you could have achieved just as much, just by reading about Laloo :D.
rb_248
04-27 11:16 PM
Back in the days there was a campaign launched by Govt of India to plant more trees.....the slogan was "plant one tree for every house". A wise guy was prompt to ask the govt... "give me a house, I will plant a tree". Likewise, give me the GC, I will definitely follow the rules.
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